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blackjew said: BigBoss said: That makes it even dumber, fuck nen vows my Bungee Gum can make me stronger without me having any drawbacks..... Really? Not Bungee Gum but death made his nen stronger because of his wish. It so happens that Bungee Gum can contract and expand so it can work to revive somebody through heart massage. BigBoss said: Chimera ants are completely different case tho, their whole biology is different then human ones and even with those extremely powerful nen aura they could still be killed and you know.....actually stay dead...... Pitou is probably something like 5 times if not even more stronger than Hisoka and the best she could do is after dying to make the puppet move her corpse, but here we have Hisoka doing gods work. Pitou's wish was to kill Gon that's why he activated Terpsichora after death. He could have activated Doctor Blythe and get revived (or actually not because he got his head exploded, so he would just become a puppet) but obviously Gon wouldn't wait for that. All this "massaging back to life" is all good and all but how is everybody ignoring the time frame in which that was done. Bungee Gum clearly didn't keep massaging it only started it after they moved him to a hotel room which lets be real probably takes time..... and it wasn't only a heart massage but even a lung massage? |
 "One must die and one must live. No victory, no defeat. The survivor will carry on the fight. It is our destiny... The one who survives will inherit the title of Boss. And the one who inherits the title of Boss will face an existence of endless battle." |
| what a let down. killing korotopi and shalnark only in 3 pages. Maybe at the end hisoka will kill togashi.... "Hisoka kill the HxH universe" BladersDeath said: So does Hisoka want to kill Machi after he has defeated Chrollo? Their relationship seems so weird.. And it has been ages since I saw all the spider members, so here a short list: 1. Chrollo ( final boss) 2. Machi ( won't die because she is adorable <3 3. Killuas sister 3. Nobunaga ( will fight Kurapika for revenge) 4. Feitan ( more damage receives = sun-bro summoning) 5. Franklin ( shoots Nen ) 6. Phinks ( Nen gets stronger when he starts spinning ) 7. music guy ( who creates planets with his music ) 8. Shizuku ( vacuum cleaner ) 9. ? 10. ? Dead members: 11. Paknoda ( lie detector ) 12. Kurtopi ( duplicate ) RIP 13. Sharknark ( control ability) RIP 14. Uvogin ( Kurapikas first kill ) 15. the member Hisoka killed to join Guys help me out if the name is wrong and who number 9. and 10. are. Thanks! u use number 3 twice. |
| So his Nen basically perforemd CPR on him, and I assume the Spiders only checked his pulse and didn't have a method to determine whether he was also breain dead (which we now know he wasn't). Doesn't requrie too much suspension of disbelief given the established rules of HxH, so I can live with that (though the restoration of his blown off bits is maybe a little bit too much, even if it's just aesthetically). What upsets me more is that he killed Shalnark...god damn I can't believe Togashi managed to make me care so much about this dude; the first time I saw him he was one of my least favorite Spiders, but somehow he really grew on me. I'm just glad Hisoka didn't kill Machi, that might have completely ruined my day. Anyway, I'm glad the fight is over and we're back to the DC stuff. I'm still looking forward to the upcoming Hisoka vs. Spider fights that we are inevitably going to get, but if Hisoka kills any more of my favorites, I'm going to be super pissed at him. Maybe that's even a good thing, because so far Hisoka was pretty damn likeable for an antagonist. By making him less likeable Togashi can kill him off later (in his fight vs. Gon?) without causing too big of a shitstorm from Hisoka fans. |
Prezbo-samaJun 9, 2016 7:31 AM
SchwartZero said: It seems a bit out of character for him to do this. Right after surviving a near death experience... Then suddenly go on a killing spree! I guess he has a plan... Or several. I hope. Maybe. To weaken Chrollo maybe? Kortopi's Gallery Fake and Shalnark's Black Voice were used by Chrollo in the match against Hisoka. If I'm not mistaken Chrollo can't use stolen ability if the original user die right? Maybe he thought Chrollo steal other Spider's abilities so he want to kill the rest. Either that or he just want to piss off Chrollo. |
ZapredonJun 9, 2016 7:32 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Because I'm tired and need to sleep the subreddit has a bunch of really good explanations for the majority of the problems most people have with the chapter, and they make a lot of sense somehow. |
| I did not expect that holy shit Just wow Looks like machi uses her hair for nen stitches, too, never noticed that before. |
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| Literally, no one saw this coming. Hahaha told ya. Arcanix said: I love how seemingly only plot armored characters know of this nen becoming stronger after death, because seems like no one else is able to use it in any way. But when a main character needs to ass pull some power, let's go bro, let's put conditions and shit because fucking every other character. Funny because all other characters died, hence the after death name. It's basically nen being lead by one lingering emotion, same way a ghost might haunt someone. The emotion leads the remaining of the unconcious nen into doing one last thing. |
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BigBoss said: blackjew said: Not Bungee Gum but death made his nen stronger because of his wish. It so happens that Bungee Gum can contract and expand so it can work to revive somebody through heart massage. Pitou's wish was to kill Gon that's why he activated Terpsichora after death. He could have activated Doctor Blythe and get revived (or actually not because he got his head exploded, so he would just become a puppet) but obviously Gon wouldn't wait for that. All this "massaging back to life" is all good and all but how is everybody ignoring the time frame in which that was done. Bungee Gum clearly didn't keep massaging it only started it after they moved him to a hotel room which lets be real probably takes time..... and it wasn't only a heart massage but even a lung massage? Yeah, that's the issue, Hisoka prayed that he would be revived after death...but it didn't exactly happened as he said, more like about half an hour later for some unexplained reason, and conveniently when only one person was with him at the time. |
All this "massaging back to life" is all good and all but how is everybody ignoring the time frame in which that was done. Bungee Gum clearly didn't keep massaging it only started it after they moved him to a hotel room which lets be real probably takes time..... and it wasn't only a heart massage but even a lung massage? Ignoring the fact that his brain would be dead after 3 minutes, his nen performing CPR isn't that ridiculous and it is possible to revive a dead person with CPR after their heart stops. |
| I'm excited for Phinks and Feitans reaction, after what Hisoka did to Shalnark. |
| This is some huge asspull by Togashi. "How do I make Hisoka lose to Chrollo but at the same time still make him seem super OP?" "Oh yea! Asspull tactics" Topkek |
SuperRed said: BigBoss said: All this "massaging back to life" is all good and all but how is everybody ignoring the time frame in which that was done. Bungee Gum clearly didn't keep massaging it only started it after they moved him to a hotel room which lets be real probably takes time..... and it wasn't only a heart massage but even a lung massage? Yeah, that's the issue, Hisoka prayed that he would be revived after death...but it didn't exactly happened as he said, more like about half an hour later for some unexplained reason, and conveniently when only one person was with him at the time. It was probably Bungee Gum being self aware and looking out for his homeboy Hisoka for the right timing because lets' not forget that bungee gum has properties of both rubber and gum and ofc is very surprising. |
"One must die and one must live. No victory, no defeat. The survivor will carry on the fight. It is our destiny... The one who survives will inherit the title of Boss. And the one who inherits the title of Boss will face an existence of endless battle." |
sn3akyk1d said: All this "massaging back to life" is all good and all but how is everybody ignoring the time frame in which that was done. Bungee Gum clearly didn't keep massaging it only started it after they moved him to a hotel room which lets be real probably takes time..... and it wasn't only a heart massage but even a lung massage? Ignoring the fact that his brain would be dead after 3 minutes, his nen performing CPR isn't that ridiculous and it is possible to revive a dead person with CPR after their heart stops. Yeah but after how long? I doubt he started preforming it in time frame of 5 or even 10 minutes. |
"One must die and one must live. No victory, no defeat. The survivor will carry on the fight. It is our destiny... The one who survives will inherit the title of Boss. And the one who inherits the title of Boss will face an existence of endless battle." |
jonjoy said: what a let down. killing korotopi and shalnark only in 3 pages. Maybe at the end hisoka will kill togashi.... "Hisoka kill the HxH universe" BladersDeath said: So does Hisoka want to kill Machi after he has defeated Chrollo? Their relationship seems so weird.. And it has been ages since I saw all the spider members, so here a short list: 1. Chrollo ( final boss) 2. Machi ( won't die because she is adorable <3 3. Killuas sister 3. Nobunaga ( will fight Kurapika for revenge) 4. Feitan ( more damage receives = sun-bro summoning) 5. Franklin ( shoots Nen ) 6. Phinks ( Nen gets stronger when he starts spinning ) 7. music guy ( who creates planets with his music ) 8. Shizuku ( vacuum cleaner ) 9. ? 10. ? Dead members: 11. Paknoda ( lie detector ) 12. Kurtopi ( duplicate ) RIP 13. Sharknark ( control ability) RIP 14. Uvogin ( Kurapikas first kill ) 15. the member Hisoka killed to join Guys help me out if the name is wrong and who number 9. and 10. are. Thanks! u use number 3 twice. I didn't notice that, thanks a lot! So they got a completely new member, hopefully a female who is as strong as Hisoka, because the HxH universe is lacking strong female characters. ( Biscuit is an expection!) And maybe she will fall in love with Leorio? A man can dream... :D! |
Drake1000 said: ThanosKotC said: I'm excited for Phinks and Feitans reaction, after what Hisoka did to Shalnark. They won't know it before they're dead. I don't think Shalnark messaged Chrollo before jumping on Hisoka and even if they do Hisoka is a special snowflake that has access to post mortem Nen and they don't apparently. Chrollo better get to writing them prophecies. Uhh, Machi?? I'm pretty sure she can contact Chrollo after she breaks out of Bungee Gum prison. |
| Sure, the timeframe between the explosion and the Nen CPR is the biggest source of disbelief, but imo for a story that revolves around a powerful magic system, this kind of scientific inaccuracy really isn't anything to be upset about (3 minutes vs. 30 minutes, it's just a detail). Togashi could have revived him right after the explosion, and Hisoka could have probably escaped in all that chaos, and still kill Shalnark and Kortopi afterwards. It would not have impacted the story in any major way, but it would have probably been more confusing for the reader. |
Drake1000 said: Yep knew Hisoka would asspull Nen post mortem. Yo WTF now this is the shocking chapter the editor was talking about, Kortopi didn't really have a character but Shalnark man RIP. Chrollo and the rest of the troupe are getting on the ship, Hisoka has more things to worry about if he goes to the dark continent than some thieves. I wonder if Black voice or maybe Gallery fake get the post mortem treatment and stay on Chrollo's book, that would only be fair. Who the fuck is Kortopi and Shalnark??? are they new members or something? If this is the so called shocking death in hxh, then lmao don't even remember them. lol On topic. This is kind of weird, usually I and few other users would be in the minority complaining about the chapter, but now most people didn't like this chapter. lol The thing is I didn't think it was a bad chapter, first of all I knew both characters would not die, it was so obvious, secondyl the Hisoka nen revival was a asspull yes, but I don't really care because I didn't even for a second think he was going to die anyways. I like Machi and Hisoka chemistry, I always thought she had a thing for Hisoka since the phantom troupe arc, didn't think she was out of character at all. I'm just happy this boring fight has ended! 3/5. |
| Bungee gum gets stronger after death to the point where his dead body can move in the same way as a puppet and revive himself without him pre-setting it. Pretty dumb but what's worse is that this sets the precedent for other characters doing the same thing for example Killua's nen could become stronger and shock himself back to life (ignoring logic because Hisoka's case showed it doesn't apply). Pretty bad way to kill off any suspense of main characters having yet another way to come back to life/heal unrecoverable wounds as if we didn't have enough already. I read all the way through to see why so many people were obsessed with this manga but it just keeps bringing up plot holes and very heavy handed deus ex machina to save characters. |
| So now hisoka is super op? Guess I'll go with it |
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| I wonder if since hisoka died his nen now is stronger as a some sort of by product. That will allow hisoka to grow faster lol. Here have a meme in this popcorn stuff(what actually happened in the bathroom) |
blackjew said: BigBoss said: All this "massaging back to life" is all good and all but how is everybody ignoring the time frame in which that was done. Bungee Gum clearly didn't keep massaging it only started it after they moved him to a hotel room which lets be real probably takes time..... and it wasn't only a heart massage but even a lung massage? Now that's a different issue. Brain death can occur in less than 10 minutes and even being quick wouldn't save someone from brain damage. Even so, there's not really a way to know the time frame. The place they are in looks like a gym locker room, so I would say they are still inside Heavens Arena. And everybody know these guys are quick with their business, so it doesn't look too far fetched to me he got revived in less than 10 minutes. What I really want to clarify is that Bungee Gum by itself hasn't any property to revive someone, nor is it some almighty ability, just that it can do CPR. lol Yes the brain fully dies in 3 or so minutes so even if they did hit the timing for the massaging heart and lungs the brain functionality would be long gone. Never mentioned that Bungee Gum has any healing powers but at how "versatile" it is that wtf is even the limit to that then. |
"One must die and one must live. No victory, no defeat. The survivor will carry on the fight. It is our destiny... The one who survives will inherit the title of Boss. And the one who inherits the title of Boss will face an existence of endless battle." |
Paramvir said: I see yu yu in your favorites. It also has deus ex machina and plot holes.Bungee gum gets stronger after death to the point where his dead body can move in the same way as a puppet and revive himself without him pre-setting it. Pretty dumb but what's worse is that this sets the precedent for other characters doing the same thing for example Killua's nen could become stronger and shock himself back to life (ignoring logic because Hisoka's case showed it doesn't apply). Pretty bad way to kill off any suspense of main characters having yet another way to come back to life/heal unrecoverable wounds as if we didn't have enough already. I read all the way through to see why so many people were obsessed with this manga but it just keeps bringing up plot holes and very heavy handed deus ex machina to save characters. |
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mochakawaiibear said: Paramvir said: I see yu yu in your favorites. It also has deus ex machina and plot holes.Bungee gum gets stronger after death to the point where his dead body can move in the same way as a puppet and revive himself without him pre-setting it. Pretty dumb but what's worse is that this sets the precedent for other characters doing the same thing for example Killua's nen could become stronger and shock himself back to life (ignoring logic because Hisoka's case showed it doesn't apply). Pretty bad way to kill off any suspense of main characters having yet another way to come back to life/heal unrecoverable wounds as if we didn't have enough already. I read all the way through to see why so many people were obsessed with this manga but it just keeps bringing up plot holes and very heavy handed deus ex machina to save characters. Yep it had plenty but a childhood favorite compared to something I read when I'm 22 are held in a very different light. If I was watching HxH when I was still in grade school I'm sure I would've loved it while ignoring all of what it does wrong but alas. |
Klad said: It was just a cheap set up for what is seeming to me his revenge, so much unlike Hisoka. What did the Spiders even do to him lol. You should realize this part is very obvious, his first spider kill was the ability Chrollo used. I don't think he has anything against the spiders personally but Chrollo can use there powers because they're alive. He kills them and there goes a lot of Chrollos copy potential. |
| Why he wasn't brain death could have been explained easily. Gon can hold his breath for 9 minutes, Morel even 15 minutes. If they said in this chapter that Hisoka wasn't truly dead but only appeared dead, combined with the zombie bodies protecting him as a shield could have explained this ''back from the dead'' nonsense. But he confirmed that he DIED!! It's utter bullshit that nen can bring people back from the dead. It would have been okay if he was a mindless zombie set on killing Chrollo. Instead he is himself and he is strong enough to kill 2 troupe members in one second lol Trash chapter, can't believe Togashi would write this |
| ''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
SyrioFRL said: BigBoss said: All this "massaging back to life" is all good and all but how is everybody ignoring the time frame in which that was done. Bungee Gum clearly didn't keep massaging it only started it after they moved him to a hotel room which lets be real probably takes time..... and it wasn't only a heart massage but even a lung massage? I don't think it was a "lung massage", his Nen simply pumped air into his lungs as a means of artificial ventilation. Bungee Gum is a perfect power for this kind of stuff, considering it can stick to anything and contract and all that. But that still brings us back to the whole "time frame" window in which that was made. Like I said above at any point where bungee gum even massaged his heart and pumped air into his lungs the brain would be long dead. |
"One must die and one must live. No victory, no defeat. The survivor will carry on the fight. It is our destiny... The one who survives will inherit the title of Boss. And the one who inherits the title of Boss will face an existence of endless battle." |
| Kastro conjures a whole human body within seconds = alright Hisoka conjues some fingers and skin = HOLY FUCK WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? This is the most unexpected fight outcome of the decade? Hisoka dies? Chrollo dies? Interrupted by third party? NOPE. Two fucking spiders die, and a gruesome death. My heart ached at their deaths. Shalnark was one of my favorites. Did Hisoka spare Machi out of sentimentality or just to send a message? Will any of the two powers remain with Chrollo after their deaths? They were very loyal, I expect this is the case. The crows eating them fucked me up. HxH is really gruesome sometimes, I can't handle it. Two major deaths in one fucking chapter too. |
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| This was a terrible chapter all around. Besides the cop out at the beginning with Hisoka's cpr, what really annoyed me the most was that Hisoka's personality here was quite different from what we know. He wanted to fight Chrollo because of the thrills it brings him to be brought to his limits by a worthy opponent yet when he finally manages to do so and looses he decides to seek revenge? But why? Is he a sore looser? Oh well, I'm looking forward to how Togashi will solve this mess if nothing else. It's definitely the worst HxH chapter thus far imo. 1/5 |
AgafinJun 10, 2016 2:08 AM
Mikasa said: Kastro conjures a whole human body within seconds = alright Hisoka conjues some fingers and skin = HOLY FUCK WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? More like "Hisoka comes back to life = HOLY FUCK WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?" Him applying bungee gum and texture surprise to replace his limbs is least that is bothersome about this. |
"One must die and one must live. No victory, no defeat. The survivor will carry on the fight. It is our destiny... The one who survives will inherit the title of Boss. And the one who inherits the title of Boss will face an existence of endless battle." |
BigBoss said: Mikasa said: Kastro conjures a whole human body within seconds = alright Hisoka conjues some fingers and skin = HOLY FUCK WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? More like "Hisoka comes back to life = HOLY FUCK WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?" Him applying bungee gum and texture surprise to replace his limbs is least that is bothersome about this. I already explained this in the thread about his powers. |
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| Okay. I just finished reading the complete English scanlation of this chapter and it all makes sense. I know I said it felt like an asspull earlier and I take it back. Hisoka did die due to suffocation and it's not difficult to understand why he managed to revive. He revived by giving his nen orders that should he die, let it (his nen in the form of bungee gum) revive and massage his heart and lungs. It's not that impossible given that his nen has the properties of both rubber and gum acting as protective nen from further damaging his organs and due to his great resolve, it stayed and activated after his death. "Nen activated" after death has been already established with the Chimera Ants. Chrollo's "sun and moon" is also one example. It's not the first time HxH brought this idea and that nen after death is even much stronger. And about Hisoka's growing limbs...no, they didn't really grow back to the original. It's more like just a facade to deceive you into thinking that his limbs and all his wounds have recovered but they have not. As I have already mentioned, his nen has the properties of rubber and gum so his "recovered" limbs and flesh parts were not real flesh and limbs but are actually made out of rubber and attached them because of its gum properties. So in a nutshell, his current form is that hideous form of his after the fight should he remove his texture surprise. There wasn't healing made. It was all a lie and deceit to look as if he actually recovers. |
DarkAngel035Jun 9, 2016 9:21 AM
 That feeling when you feel you know the feeling of not feeling any feel at all. Get the feeling? |
BigBoss said: SyrioFRL said: I don't think it was a "lung massage", his Nen simply pumped air into his lungs as a means of artificial ventilation. Bungee Gum is a perfect power for this kind of stuff, considering it can stick to anything and contract and all that. But that still brings us back to the whole "time frame" window in which that was made. Like I said above at any point where bungee gum even massaged his heart and pumped air into his lungs the brain would be long dead. I already responded to this: SyrioFRL said: Sure, the time frame between the explosion and the Nen CPR is the biggest source of disbelief, but imo for a story that revolves around a powerful magic system, this kind of scientific inaccuracy really isn't anything to be upset about (3 minutes vs. 30 minutes, it's just a detail). Togashi could have revived him right after the explosion, and Hisoka could have probably escaped in all that chaos, and still kill Shalnark and Kortopi afterwards. It would not have impacted the story in any major way, but it would have probably been more confusing for the reader. I do think the time frame is a valid criticism and technically a plot hole, but a minor and non-impactful one that isn't worth getting upset about (not implying that you do). Togashi probably chose to do it that way in order to make the events less confusing. |
| The thing is, People thing the gum was activated when machi was there after like an hour or so. The Nen she saw was his WHOLE nen, that means this is the time he woke up. The gum could have been working inside since the beginning for all we know. |
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blackjew said: BigBoss said: Yes the brain fully dies in 3 or so minutes so even if they did hit the timing for the massaging heart and lungs the brain functionality would be long gone. Never mentioned that Bungee Gum has any healing powers but at how "versatile" it is that wtf is even the limit to that then. And I'm saying it isn't versatile in the way you're implying in this topic. lol All it did was contract and expand it's just its basic function. What can be called a problem here is just in the timing for CPR, base in real world facts of course. But we are talking about HxH. Killua has trained to withstand electric shocks and poison while not even knowing nen, so these guys are stronger people than "real" people in the first place. And I don't know why you thought they have gone to a Hotel room and took their time and all. That's not really all it did, it did even on the precise timing, it didn't just contract and expand how he said that it should work. he said when his heart and lungs stop that bungee gum should "contract and expand" them to full force but it only happend after 30 or so minutes, even if it was in 15 min still far fetched but hey we are talking about an asspull. Because they think he is dead? why would they be in a hurry if hey know for a fact that he is dead for what reason would they want to do this in like 5 min or so? they even checked to see if he is dead for sure, stayed in the room for a while, did we even read the same chapter? |
"One must die and one must live. No victory, no defeat. The survivor will carry on the fight. It is our destiny... The one who survives will inherit the title of Boss. And the one who inherits the title of Boss will face an existence of endless battle." |
Mikasa said: The thing is, People thing the gum was activated when machi was there after like an hour or so. The Nen she saw was his WHOLE nen, that means this is the time he woke up. The gum could have been working inside since the beginning for all we know. They would have noticed that he still had a pulse. |
| ''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
| Do you have a source for the 30 min after claim? Because Hisoka's nen indicates the success of BG, not its activation. |
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| I am pretty sure it is a setup for Goku vs Hisoka. Revive after dead only makes you stronger. |
| Fellaini is God |
Mikasa said: The thing is, People thing the gum was activated when machi was there after like an hour or so. The Nen she saw was his WHOLE nen, that means this is the time he woke up. The gum could have been working inside since the beginning for all we know. Pretty sure if bungee gum was pumping his heart they would notice that tho, they checked the body and if bungee gum inhaled air to his lungs pretty sure you know... that would be visible.... |
"One must die and one must live. No victory, no defeat. The survivor will carry on the fight. It is our destiny... The one who survives will inherit the title of Boss. And the one who inherits the title of Boss will face an existence of endless battle." |
Mikasa said: Do you have a source for the 30 min after claim? Because Hisoka's nen indicates the success of BG, not its activation. As big of a source as anyone claiming that it was done in less than 5 min, just asumptions that kinda make sense. |
"One must die and one must live. No victory, no defeat. The survivor will carry on the fight. It is our destiny... The one who survives will inherit the title of Boss. And the one who inherits the title of Boss will face an existence of endless battle." |
| this chapter definitely had a horrible first impression but after getting more information the only problem is the oxygen deprivation Hisoka should of been long brain dead i really do like how the art and how this chapter was structured |
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| The only sensible conjecture here is what that guy said about fiction's standards compared to real life. As for the heart rate issue, what if he only let out the blood via certain streams? And the chest beat reduced due to the gum? |
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