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AbuHumaid said: lastwhisper31 said: gotta be careful of me huh? Will you move your vote if I do an emotional speech? x)<3 vote: abu I see you ohh shit i didnt realize everyone has a role, this game is gunna be more interesting then I thought Ill prob just lynch you and believe me my vote is quite influential. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: This part of this post is a huge red flag. In a majority lynch game we need trains to evaluate and react to. Having trains (even just RVS trains) gives us something to work with which we'll need. And you discouraging town from using one of it's best tools makes me raise one eyebrow. Hmm where did imply trains were out of the question, I was just saying don't get to crazy cause an accidental hammer could happen or other factors. I also have not discouraged anyone from it since togs still has 3 votes, so what discouragement are you talking about? Where has my post influenced anyone? If you can't point me in that direction then this post from you is meaningless. How is a 7 person hammer ever accidental? Ill really laugh if town "accidentally" votes 7 on a mislynch. Tbh, I don't think this is a scummy point tho. It's just a very vague and fair warning for "accidental" shenanigans |
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Gwendolly said: KOtA said: appears No trains , bad. did everyone post yet ? vote: gwen BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY >.> edit: too much discord SON OF A- You're complaining about no trains, yet you randomly vote for me Grapefruit21 said: Coroner is still the strongest role though Coroner is strong, double voter, and vig are also super strong. Mine just has insane upside and an incredibly horrible floor. Leaning towards voluntarily making myself a vanilla this game I think. Oh shit. I forgot about the double vote. Makes me wanna unvote but since it's Shinichi, he would be contradicting himself by jumping on Togs' train. So I'll stay with this risk. Believe me I have no plans to vote togs as of right now. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: This part of this post is a huge red flag. In a majority lynch game we need trains to evaluate and react to. Having trains (even just RVS trains) gives us something to work with which we'll need. And you discouraging town from using one of it's best tools makes me raise one eyebrow. Hmm where did imply trains were out of the question, I was just saying don't get to crazy cause an accidental hammer could happen or other factors. I also have not discouraged anyone from it since togs still has 3 votes, so what discouragement are you talking about? Where has my post influenced anyone? If you can't point me in that direction then this post from you is meaningless. It uses majority lynch but doesn't specify lynch lock. So no accidental hammers to worry about. Second the intent is what matters not the result. You know this. I've lynched you because your results were bad before but had plausible good intentions. There isn't any reason to discourage town from wagoning someone early on. It only helps town out in the long run. Third the bolded is just wrong. I can point to like five examples from silence if you want, but the key one is we should have caught Kpaca D1 for his read on you that influenced no one. Results don't matter as much as the intent behind the post. And I see no reason for town to discourage people from voting Togs there. |
Gwendolly said: Shinichi-Kun said: So 2 people didnt realize that the roles were public, find it questionable. Tbh, I was surprised too. I thought only the roles would be known but not who is who. Why is this questionable? Cause i mentioned it somewhere before the game started, but guess people didnt notice. Gwendolly said: Shinichi-Kun said: I think you're both looking way too into it, because everything i've posted has been with a town mind set lol. People just like to make up bs to get the ball rolling I guess. Good for you....that you think your posts look towny. Let them look into it! Thank you Thank you Ill be here for a few more hours :D Gwendolly said: @CorruptedPurity Mah boy, you're trying a bit too hard to own these "town points", almost like you already know Grape could be town? Baited! Why add the word baited at the end lol? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: AbuHumaid said: gotta be careful of me huh? Will you move your vote if I do an emotional speech? x) Ill prob just lynch you and believe me my vote is quite influential. Is it? No offense but I can't stop seeing you as a paranoid person so your vote while will raise eyebrows, is not as influential as you think. To me at least. Idk about others. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Gwendolly said: @CorruptedPurity Mah boy, you're trying a bit too hard to own these "town points", almost like you already know Grape could be town? Baited! ?? You rather me lurk and just meme around RVS instead of moving the game forward? So doing town things is considered scummy and when I tried doing scummy things it's considered scummy. Is there a world where something I do is not scummy? There is a difference town actions/motivation rolling off the tongue than trying to force it just saying. Also stating that you would rather and are capable of lurking doesn't settle well for me. |
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| Tbf, I do townread shini, I just wanna look at things from grape's POV to see if he's finding scum to lynch or only finding a reason to lynch someone. One is town, the other is scum. |
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| Not just because it's togs, but because I don't get discouraging wagons in general. I have togs at entirely null fwiw. |
| I didn't change my mind... I thought you seemed townie. Shinichi-Kun said: Because I think it takes confidence to dismiss it. If Grapefruit had a point, you'd be trying to convince him otherwise, not outright reject it which usually leads to the strengthening of the other person's read on you.RE1031 said: Because I don't think scum would be so blunt in dismissing your theories. I can't explain perfectly, but I can see Shinichi making this post as town. I'm usually antsy. I'm only not when I'm too tired of the game. This is weird, because tbh i am quite manipulative. Just imagine for a second if I was scum in silence of the lambs. That would mean i managed to survive almost 3 close encounters with death. Also why do you think scum wouldn't be blunt? Shinichi-Kun said: Mishu pointed this out sort of, but by preventing your lynch, or allowing you to survive, scum managed to put you in the center of attention which distracted town away from the real scum. So you survived because the real scum wanted you to :PRE1031 said: Because I don't think scum would be so blunt in dismissing your theories. I can't explain perfectly, but I can see Shinichi making this post as town. I'm usually antsy. I'm only not when I'm too tired of the game. This is weird, because tbh i am quite manipulative. Just imagine for a second if I was scum in silence of the lambs. That would mean i managed to survive almost 3 close encounters with death. Also why do you think scum wouldn't be blunt? |
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CorruptedPurity said: Shinichi-Kun said: Hmm where did imply trains were out of the question, I was just saying don't get to crazy cause an accidental hammer could happen or other factors. I also have not discouraged anyone from it since togs still has 3 votes, so what discouragement are you talking about? Where has my post influenced anyone? If you can't point me in that direction then this post from you is meaningless. How is a 7 person hammer ever accidental? Ill really laugh if town "accidentally" votes 7 on a mislynch. Tbh, I don't think this is a scummy point tho. It's just a very vague and fair warning for "accidental" shenanigans Believe me Ive seen hammers happen by accident because people voted before catching up, or miscounted votes before. Town can make the mistake sure but I would like to believe town would be a little more careful atleast i would hope. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: CorruptedPurity said: ?? You rather me lurk and just meme around RVS instead of moving the game forward? So doing town things is considered scummy and when I tried doing scummy things it's considered scummy. Is there a world where something I do is not scummy? There is a difference town actions/motivation rolling off the tongue than trying to force it just saying. Also stating that you would rather and are capable of lurking doesn't settle well for me. Do you see me as someone capable of going full lurk mode? Do you think I'm faking my posts. If you do, why? |
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CorruptedPurity said: That's what I thought Shinichi meant, lol.Shinichi-Kun said: Hmm where did imply trains were out of the question, I was just saying don't get to crazy cause an accidental hammer could happen or other factors. I also have not discouraged anyone from it since togs still has 3 votes, so what discouragement are you talking about? Where has my post influenced anyone? If you can't point me in that direction then this post from you is meaningless. How is a 7 person hammer ever accidental? Ill really laugh if town "accidentally" votes 7 on a mislynch. Tbh, I don't think this is a scummy point tho. It's just a very vague and fair warning for "accidental" shenanigans |
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CorruptedPurity said: Gwendolly said: @CorruptedPurity Mah boy, you're trying a bit too hard to own these "town points", almost like you already know Grape could be town? Baited! ?? You rather me lurk and just meme around RVS instead of moving the game forward? So doing town things is considered scummy and when I tried doing scummy things it's considered scummy. Is there a world where something I do is not scummy? Everything can and will be hold against you!!! I'm joking. But yes, as for now I view it from both sides. |
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Grapefruit21 said: AbuHumaid said: gotta be careful of me huh? Will you move your vote if I do an emotional speech? x) Why are you interested in what it would take to move his vote? How does that help you solve the game in any real way? No, this is good! Everyone should be involved right now. And Abu can be easily ignored lol |
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Grapefruit21 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Hmm where did imply trains were out of the question, I was just saying don't get to crazy cause an accidental hammer could happen or other factors. I also have not discouraged anyone from it since togs still has 3 votes, so what discouragement are you talking about? Where has my post influenced anyone? If you can't point me in that direction then this post from you is meaningless. It uses majority lynch but doesn't specify lynch lock. So no accidental hammers to worry about. Second the intent is what matters not the result. You know this. I've lynched you because your results were bad before but had plausible good intentions. There isn't any reason to discourage town from wagoning someone early on. It only helps town out in the long run. Third the bolded is just wrong. I can point to like five examples from silence if you want, but the key one is we should have caught Kpaca D1 for his read on you that influenced no one. Results don't matter as much as the intent behind the post. And I see no reason for town to discourage people from voting Togs there. Why are you reference that game, im talking about posts in this game. Yet how are you going to reference that game anyways, i was town. Are you saying my actions aren't similar to that game? I would assume a lock lynch is implied when majority lynch is in place, cause I aint going to just sit around waiting for people to get discouraged proceeding to unvote the person who is about to be lynched. Intent does matter, but as you can see ifs kinda hard to distinguish the alignment of someones intent don't you think. So ya your welcome to bring posts from my town game to justify how i could be scum. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Shinichi-Kun said: Ill prob just lynch you and believe me my vote is quite influential. Is it? No offense but I can't stop seeing you as a paranoid person so your vote while will raise eyebrows, is not as influential as you think. To me at least. Idk about others. Can't really go into detail with my reasoning because it involves an ongoing game, if that game were to end before abu is lynched here i would gladly explain my reasoning. |
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Grapefruit21 said: Not just because it's togs, but because I don't get discouraging wagons in general. I have togs at entirely null fwiw. I mean an early train espically an rvs train is quite perfect for scum to hide on don't you think? |
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Phraze said: Given that there are no flips, it's going to be a lot easier for them to work independently. But I see two ways of scum winning this: stalling town, or outright getting town to lynch itself and strategizing night kills. First honestly seems easier, but it still requires good night kill choices, which is better planned through communicating with each other.RE1031 said: what if scumteam are good at working independently?In the two games I've seen neighborizer, both times they were scum. But you brought up a point I didn't think of. However, and assuming the role is scum, it won't be as easy because they most likely will avoid repeated contact. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I want to test my powersPhraze said: can we lynch u so I can analyze ur ded body first? Sure if you can give a valid reason as to why. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Shinichi-Kun said: There is a difference town actions/motivation rolling off the tongue than trying to force it just saying. Also stating that you would rather and are capable of lurking doesn't settle well for me. Do you see me as someone capable of going full lurk mode? Do you think I'm faking my posts. If you do, why? No because im sure i can easily grab your attention XD. No I don't believe so atleast not from your posts so far, can't say anything about the person questioning you though. |
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RE1031 said: I didn't change my mind... I thought you seemed townie. Shinichi-Kun said: Because I think it takes confidence to dismiss it. If Grapefruit had a point, you'd be trying to convince him otherwise, not outright reject it which usually leads to the strengthening of the other person's read on you.This is weird, because tbh i am quite manipulative. Just imagine for a second if I was scum in silence of the lambs. That would mean i managed to survive almost 3 close encounters with death. Also why do you think scum wouldn't be blunt? Shinichi-Kun said: Mishu pointed this out sort of, but by preventing your lynch, or allowing you to survive, scum managed to put you in the center of attention which distracted town away from the real scum. So you survived because the real scum wanted you to :PThis is weird, because tbh i am quite manipulative. Just imagine for a second if I was scum in silence of the lambs. That would mean i managed to survive almost 3 close encounters with death. Also why do you think scum wouldn't be blunt? Still it was quite quick for my liking. I guess that makes sense, it just i felt like it wasn't right so i upright dismissed it. Also I was painfully aware scum were keeping me alive, I am painfully aware of that every game where I survive more than 3 whole phases. Why the longer I live the easier it is for me to solve the game. |
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| @Shinichi-Kun maybe you're town for the same lack of critical thinking you were showing there. But if you read my post you'll note I'm drawing a line between your behavior this game to scum behavior from that game. My point is intent matters and we should have caught Kpaca/Proph for their read on you showing bad intent. And I'm saying that post was a scum tell for having similar anti-town intent (discouraging us from using our tools). Also lynch lock and majority lynch do not automatically go together. A lot of places run one but not the other, MU for example. And if you're concerned about accidental hammers why not say that and give a run down of how to prevent it rather than a vague warning about not building a wagon? Because if my concern was an accidental hammer I'd spell it out rather than just saying: "yo we shouldn't wagon so hard" |
| Right now Shinichi strangely enough looks towny to me. He is actually doing something!!! xD But that means nothing lol I believe it's due to this set up. Even scum has to work on their own (for now?) and the tpr most likely would want to win towns trust. |
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RE1031 said: Phraze said: Given that there are no flips, it's going to be a lot easier for them to work independently. But I see two ways of scum winning this: stalling town, or outright getting town to lynch itself and strategizing night kills. First honestly seems easier, but it still requires good night kill choices, which is better planned through communicating with each other.what if scumteam are good at working independently? THis honestly all depends on the player and right now its too early to speculate. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: Not just because it's togs, but because I don't get discouraging wagons in general. I have togs at entirely null fwiw. I mean an early train espically an rvs train is quite perfect for scum to hide on don't you think? And I completely agree (again see my kapaca example and check out Shadow's votes) that's why you have to force people to justify their votes, but they have to be on a train or they have nothing for you to hold them to! Unvote |
Grapefruit21 said: @Shinichi-Kun maybe you're town for the same lack of critical thinking you were showing there. But if you read my post you'll note I'm drawing a line between your behavior this game to scum behavior from that game. My point is intent matters and we should have caught Kpaca/Proph for their read on you showing bad intent. And I'm saying that post was a scum tell for having similar anti-town intent (discouraging us from using our tools). Also lynch lock and majority lynch do not automatically go together. A lot of places run one but not the other, MU for example. And if you're concerned about accidental hammers why not say that and give a run down of how to prevent it rather than a vague warning about not building a wagon? Because if my concern was an accidental hammer I'd spell it out rather than just saying: "yo we shouldn't wagon so hard" Its fine my friend lol Also believe me I understand cause I gave Kpaca a town read for his read on me cause it had seemed genuine. I never once though kpaca was scummy but I for sure had that idea when crossbell replaced in for that slot. People should be using +2 when a player is 2 votes from a lock +1 when a player is 1 vote from a lock Its the best solution to prevent a mis hammers |
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| That was one unconventional interaction between grape and shini. @Gwendolly @RE1031 Thoughts? t/t, t/s or s/s? |
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Gwendolly said: Right now Shinichi strangely enough looks towny to me. He is actually doing something!!! xD But that means nothing lol I believe it's due to this set up. Even scum has to work on their own (for now?) and the tpr most likely would want to win towns trust. Believe me I love this setup lol, and it really shows in my posts. |
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Grapefruit21 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I mean an early train espically an rvs train is quite perfect for scum to hide on don't you think? And I completely agree (again see my kapaca example and check out Shadow's votes) that's why you have to force people to justify their votes, but they have to be on a train or they have nothing for you to hold them to! Unvote Ok Ok i understand where your coming from, however I like to vote change quickly without justifing myself XD. |
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CorruptedPurity said: That was one unconventional interaction between grape and shini. @Gwendolly @RE1031 Thoughts? t/t, t/s or s/s? Why not ask everyone? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I kinda used up all my focus on the other game tbh lol. but I'm ready to stir shit for analysis laterrPhraze said: I'm here. ask away~ feel free to grill me :P What do you think of everyone so far? Especially Grapefruit and CP Grapes is poking around like he always does Gwen is...I kinda forgot how she plays lol. but I never seen her as scum. mind telling me? RE should be town. kinda grilled her meta out of the other game enough to be sure about that CP is too early to read. I do hope he doesnt go batshit crazy with gambits since we're in a flipless I'd say ur town lol. unless u improved ur terrible scumgame from the last time I remembered Wisp/yurkin/Togs havent left an impression. then again, I havent left any myself lel |
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Shinichi-Kun said: why do u love the setup? cuz u can dig up scum interaction?Gwendolly said: Right now Shinichi strangely enough looks towny to me. He is actually doing something!!! xD But that means nothing lol I believe it's due to this set up. Even scum has to work on their own (for now?) and the tpr most likely would want to win towns trust. Believe me I love this setup lol, and it really shows in my posts. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Shinichi, town. Grapefruit, neutral.That was one unconventional interaction between grape and shini. @Gwendolly @RE1031 Thoughts? t/t, t/s or s/s? In other words, Shinichi: 1, Grapefruit: 0. Teehee~ I mean, I haven't been observing Grapefruit too closely in terms of alignment, so I'll do a quick reread. |
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Phraze said: CP is too early to read. I do hope he doesnt go batshit crazy with gambits since we're in a flipless Hehe... Games are never fun without gambits. The steeper the gambit, the higher chance I may get lynched but survive, the more thrilling the game... |
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Phraze said: why do u love the setup? cuz u can dig up scum interaction? -Huge Replay Value -Open Setup with no flip on death <<< so perfect -Mafia Have to work together without communication -The combination of roles creates an epic showdown depending on alignment -Everyones roles being revealed so their no lieing -Literally a game about reading people and less about the power of roles/mechanics |
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Phraze said: I kinda used up all my focus on the other game tbh lol. but I'm ready to stir shit for analysis laterr Grapes is poking around like he always does Gwen is...I kinda forgot how she plays lol. but I never seen her as scum. mind telling me? RE should be town. kinda grilled her meta out of the other game enough to be sure about that CP is too early to read. I do hope he doesnt go batshit crazy with gambits since we're in a flipless I'd say ur town lol. unless u improved ur terrible scumgame from the last time I remembered Wisp/yurkin/Togs havent left an impression. then again, I havent left any myself lel -Grape loves to poke at me, you think hes scum or town as of this moment? -I'm pretty sure ive seen her as scum I just suck at recalling past games lol -What makes you say that? -It will eventually show I know it lol -Woah, I am fabulous :D -Very true haha |
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RE1031 said: CorruptedPurity said: Shinichi, town. Grapefruit, neutral.That was one unconventional interaction between grape and shini. @Gwendolly @RE1031 Thoughts? t/t, t/s or s/s? In other words, Shinichi: 1, Grapefruit: 0. Teehee~ I mean, I haven't been observing Grapefruit too closely in terms of alignment, so I'll do a quick reread. Cool what do I Win? What have you been observing then? |
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CorruptedPurity said: high on the edgePhraze said: CP is too early to read. I do hope he doesnt go batshit crazy with gambits since we're in a flipless Hehe... Games are never fun without gambits. The steeper the gambit, the higher chance I may get lynched but survive, the more thrilling the game... describes u perfectly lmao |
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Shinichi-Kun said: A hole to bury yourself in.RE1031 said: Shinichi, town. Grapefruit, neutral. In other words, Shinichi: 1, Grapefruit: 0. Teehee~ I mean, I haven't been observing Grapefruit too closely in terms of alignment, so I'll do a quick reread. Cool what do I Win? What have you been observing then? I was curious about his read on you because I disagreed. I can't tell if it's a genuine read or something faked - if I had to choose right now, I'd go with genuine. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Phraze said: CP is too early to read. I do hope he doesnt go batshit crazy with gambits since we're in a flipless Hehe... Games are never fun without gambits. The steeper the gambit, the higher chance I may get lynched but survive, the more thrilling the game... |
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CorruptedPurity said: That was one unconventional interaction between grape and shini. @Gwendolly @RE1031 Thoughts? t/t, t/s or s/s? Tbh I really can't follow...they keep mentioning another game....I hope this is not the last push on Shinichi I'll be seeing from Grape 'cuz he seemed to step down now. To view them as s/s is interesting tho. What are you seeing? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: hmm gotchaPhraze said: why do u love the setup? cuz u can dig up scum interaction? -Huge Replay Value -Open Setup with no flip on death <<< so perfect -Mafia Have to work together without communication -The combination of roles creates an epic showdown depending on alignment -Everyones roles being revealed so their no lieing -Literally a game about reading people and less about the power of roles/mechanics |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Phraze said: why do u love the setup? cuz u can dig up scum interaction? -Huge Replay Value -Open Setup with no flip on death <<< so perfect -Mafia Have to work together without communication -The combination of roles creates an epic showdown depending on alignment -Everyones roles being revealed so their no lieing -Literally a game about reading people and less about the power of roles/mechanics Odds are against me since I'm a mechanical player who likes mechanical play, flavorgaming, tad bit of modgaming and metagaming. High chance I'm going to suffer this game from my weak behavioral gameplay... I love it. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: @Shinichi-Kun maybe you're town for the same lack of critical thinking you were showing there. But if you read my post you'll note I'm drawing a line between your behavior this game to scum behavior from that game. My point is intent matters and we should have caught Kpaca/Proph for their read on you showing bad intent. And I'm saying that post was a scum tell for having similar anti-town intent (discouraging us from using our tools). Also lynch lock and majority lynch do not automatically go together. A lot of places run one but not the other, MU for example. And if you're concerned about accidental hammers why not say that and give a run down of how to prevent it rather than a vague warning about not building a wagon? Because if my concern was an accidental hammer I'd spell it out rather than just saying: "yo we shouldn't wagon so hard" Its fine my friend lol Also believe me I understand cause I gave Kpaca a town read for his read on me cause it had seemed genuine. I never once though kpaca was scummy but I for sure had that idea when crossbell replaced in for that slot. People should be using +2 when a player is 2 votes from a lock +1 when a player is 1 vote from a lock Its the best solution to prevent a mis hammers I mean I know you gave him a town read for that, and it's a huge part of why you got lynched (maybe the main reason for me) but we really should have lynched Kpaca because of it and then won that game easily... Ohhh well. I'm really not sure why I stopped caring about that awful town read. Blinded by my admiration for Cross I guess... Anyway I'll catch up later. Heading out for a few hours. |
Gwendolly said: CorruptedPurity said: That was one unconventional interaction between grape and shini. @Gwendolly @RE1031 Thoughts? t/t, t/s or s/s? Tbh I really can't follow...they keep mentioning another game....I hope this is not the last push on Shinichi I'll be seeing from Grape 'cuz he seemed to step down now. To view them as s/s is interesting tho. What are you seeing? http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/777879-silence-of-the-lambs-game-over-scum-win |
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RE1031 said: As for why, it reminds me of his push on Astros in Silence of the Lambs. He's going by he thinks benefits scum and associating it with you because of that post of yours about trains and majority lynching, like how Astros was "tearing down everything," which is something scum do.A hole to bury yourself in. I was curious about his read on you because I disagreed. I can't tell if it's a genuine read or something faked - if I had to choose right now, I'd go with genuine. And oh fuck.. I just realized... Majority lynching, not majority lock lynching.... OOOOPS. |
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Gwendolly said: CorruptedPurity said: That was one unconventional interaction between grape and shini. @Gwendolly @RE1031 Thoughts? t/t, t/s or s/s? Tbh I really can't follow...they keep mentioning another game....I hope this is not the last push on Shinichi I'll be seeing from Grape 'cuz he seemed to step down now. To view them as s/s is interesting tho. What are you seeing? I see either t/t or s/s. This would be a relatively easy scum theatre to pull imo. A t/s interaction would've dragged out longer due to conflicting views and scum trying to get a lynch. The way they both stepped down leads me to believe they are both town or both scum. |
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