Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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| I WAS KIDDING WHEN I SAID I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE OTTO BE MESSED UP TOO, WHAT IS GOING ON ?! I can't even trust my son... For the rest, so far I'm really liking the portrayal of Echidna and Roswaal, two very interesting characters fighting for the first spot along with Beatrice (who despite my complaints is still better written than the majority of the cast). I'm very intrigued to see how this will play out in the next court. I also quite like what we've seen of Satella, though finding out she also wants to die makes me quite annoyed because well, the show is starting to become very very edgy, and it already was in the first season but here that's on another level. For the rest, what can I say that I dodn't already say... First, I'm a bit disappointed by the way the witches other than Echidna and Satella are portrayed. They feel more than comic relief than anything when they had the potential to be great characters. I still like Daphne though, she's fun. And another thing that I already said but I'll say it again : PLEASE GIVE SUBARU SOME REAL DEVELOPMENT. Because okay he hates himself, he's in pain, etc, etc, we know that, and it was supposed to have been partially solved in s1 ep18, so I'm really starting to give up on him now, it's really always the same thing, I don't manage to feel anything for him anymore, yes in a way his writing is realistic but maybe making him the protagonist wasn't that much of a good idea. Plus, honestly he isn't even very well-written, actually he is badly-written considering how practically all his development from season 1 has disappeared. I have a feeling the author doesn't know how to handle him, he wants him to be two things at once and it of course cannot work. And wow I felt such a satisfaction when the witches called Subaru out for being too self-centered with his suffering, and then it turns out they're trying to help him ?! No, no, nononono he doesn't deserve that. I'm all for even the most messed up characters being deserveful of a second chance if it's well-written but Subaru didn't just have a second chance, he had over 1000, and he screwed up each time ! He isn't worth helping, he isn't worth anyone's effort, some people simply are a lost cause and he's one of them ! And his suffering isn't the reason to that, it's nothing but his own fault, and everyone in the show knows it but they still believe in him. No. Just give up on him already, he is responsible for the majority of the catastrophes that occured throughout the show, and even if he sometimes seem to be better, just wait 5 minutes and you'll find him slamming his face against a tree while muttering weird stuff and crying. I actually wanted to believe in him in the first season, I did believe in him, but here he just proved he's not worth it at all. Can we have a new mc please ? This one's really not working correctly. Aaaand for the rest, well, I think I already said everything in previous threads... I give this season a 6, some aspects were truly good but some others were truly meh. I'm still looking forward to the second part, I want to believe it'll be better now that we're done with the first half of the arc. @Astrosaurs168 I purposely exaggerated to emphasize on the fact that if he took the right decision, there are a lot of times when things wouldn't have gone as bad as they did, at least not to such a degree (which is the case, even if I don't at all blame him for everything). Besides, I don't even hate him and I don't think I ever will, I'm just very annoyed |
FafetteDec 2, 2020 11:23 PM
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| slightly late here, but season 2 was a great watch, 9/10 from me. I thought it was a really great continuation from season 1, carried on over a lot of the things i loved about the first season and made them better, even adding some extras in. Story wise, love where it is heading. Loved season 1's plot, and season 2 in my opinion is an amazing continuation story wise. Kept a lot of good plot points like the introduction to a problem, that slowly after each of Subaru's rests we see more and more into, uncovering more information and later twists. The twists, my god the plot twists. I might not be the brightest in terms of brains, but i loved the plot twists way more in this season then season 1 tbh. Each of them this season definitely to me felt like such a heavy hitter every time there was one revealed. Character wise, characters we already saw such as Subaru, otto, Roswaal etc, i felt got some really good character development. Subaru having to go through the witch's trials was an excellent way to show some of his past, along some character development which i loved, more screen time for otto and him coming in clutch most this season, as well as him really bonding well with Subaru was great to see and finally Roswaal himself, really thought he turned into a big plot point for the story, like the ice breaker in it. New characters were hella interesting. Obviously, loved Echidna through and through. She was a really good character for helping Subaru push through when he needed it the most, and helping him developed as a character massively. Her role in this season is massive to say the least, and definitely a new favourite. I guess one downside i found about this season, was that it is i guess only 1 arc (as of part 1)? Whole season has primarily been based on the Sanctuary, which compared to season 1 with things like the mansion arc, witch cult arc etc, felt kinda lacklustre. But honestly, they did a really good job at this arc, felt like they fitted so much development, plot and important characters big ones such as Echidna, that it makes up for the lack of different scenarios like in season 1. Quality over quantity i guess? All in all, great continuation. Really looking forward to season 2 and the rest of the story. Just wished i could of finished this anime at the end of its airing date ;-; |
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SomethinRandumb said: One thing I don't get is how the witch of envy is supposed to represent envy. I don't see her acting envious at all. Makes me feel like some time-travel shit is going to be introduced later on in the story. One important scene that was cut in this episode is the explanation that Satella and the Witch of Envy are two different personnalities. Basically, the ultra aggressive, crazy one we've seen earlier is the "Witch of Envy" persona, and the calmer, more rational one that cares deeply for Subaru is the "Satella" persona. However, Satella is the one who devoured half of the world. The other witches of sin despise the "Witch of Envy" but are somewhat friendly/neutral with Satella, with the exception of Echidna who hates both of them. Satella gained the "Witch of Envy" persona when she absorbed the Envy witch factor (for yet unknown reasons) that she was incompatible with. Generally speaking, the anime adaptation is almost flawless but this episode was quite the exception. |
| Man what an episode. With the witches and valuing life, that is deep. Who knew such witches could be so helpful too. Roswaal is a great character in this, forcing Subaru to make a decision like that. But the guy has his own ground to stick on so he doesn't become like him. Good episode. I like how Otto backed Subaru, punched him back to his senses again. Just in time for s2p2 as well. |
| This cour was somewhat meandering, but I'll withhold judgement until the 2nd season is finished. I was, however, quite fond of anything involving Echidna and Satella. Plus, the episode with Subaru and his family was the highlight of the season. It was very moving. Subaru's harem grows and grows. Now he's got a harem of witches! |
| So who is Envy Witch, xD. They didn't want Subaru to die or lose his way, they saved Subaru in their own way. The mastermind behind all this is Rosewall, how much she loves Echidna. I also don't know who he loves. Friends always help you of you have a trouble 10/10 for this anime |
| Another great episode, I really can't wait to watch part two but no choice, gotta hang in there til the end of March!! |
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| already watching the 2nd half of the 2nd season and man im so lost. prolly going to have to rewatch from the 1st season again to try and refresh my memory. there are a few things that bug me though, it feels like there are missing pieces from what ive remembered (like chars, settings and whatnot),.. |
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| The first season of attack on titan was a great thrill ride that more than served its purpose of setting up the world and establishing our characters, introducing us to its world and sucking us into it. Then the second season came with the purpose of even further deepening its world building and lore, but also more importantly expanding upon our characters, fleshing them out even further and giving us hints as to what has happened in their pasts or just straight up showing us their past in full. I'd like to think it's the same as Re:Zero, as here in the second season is where things really start to get real and the character interactions and explorations are actually starting to deepen. Many light novel readers say that this is the true start to what Re:Zero really is, and I can see how that is so. Don't even want to call this an isekai because one: you could take out the isekai aspect completely and it wouldn't change much. There's subaru's back story with his parents but you could have just as easily cut and pasted such events into this isekai world. And two: lumping this near-masterpiece of a drama with all others in the isekai genre out there would not do it justice. This entire series, and this second season that we've just watched, are very good. However while I am mildly intrigued I am still not a fan and personally am just kind of lost on what everyone's motivations are. Maybe I'm supposed to be confused, as things are still not revealed? Whatever, to me it's good, not great. 6/10. I enjoyed it just as much as the first season but not for the same reasons |
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| Judging on the basis of this episode alone Estella doesn't seem to evil at all She seem soo innocent just like Emilia She was even crying... I felt that damn she only needs someone to love her |
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| Honestly I find Otto to be more suitable as an MC. Anyways I can't get over the fact that they spent 13 episodes in just this Arc and possibly more in the second part. But it was no surprise that Roswaal is one of the main antagonist. The witches were quite interesting and not evil as presumed. There was some progression in the story but the constant return to death crap is getting quite tedious to watch. And it's not like Subaru's obnoxious character makes it better. He's the same despairing, self-loathing and simping crybaby he was in the first season. Always whining about being weak and pathetic but making absolutely little to no effort in getting stronger and perceptive. But I feel like the author intends to keep him this way so people can continue being empathic. However, I personally think S1 was enough time and I am tired of this shit. The only episode that made me feel a little empathic towards him was the one about his parents. But that episode made me realize he was self-indulging uncaring loser playing the victim in real world. I hope this gets better in the second part but I doubt it. |
| Has it been revealed why Roswaal wants Subaru to be like him? There are so many questions that I hope get answered in part 2. Overall I do prefer season 1 but I will give season 2 part 1 a 7/10 (as opposed to my 8 for season 1). |
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| It's amazing to see the story be so well written. Loving the story and the development of Subaru's character. Meeting all the witches, seeing the Witch of Envy not be nearly as horrible as we thought she was in season 1. Fantastic continuation of Season 1 and really curious to see what Part 2 has to show me. |
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| Time for Subaru to get his shit together again. The witches are a cool group of people. Even if they are all somewhat crazy in their own way. Roswald are the two assassins employers? Wut? He really is insane.... Both Otto and Patrasche are amazing and Subaru is lucky to have them both. |
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| Immense, and I feel I haven't even fully understood the philosophy that lies beneath this saga. I will read some analisys to have a better comprehension. For this season, 9/10, I hope to be able to read the Novel furtherly. |
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| I was lost for most of the season. Too many things were confusing. Reading the comments by light novel readers helped a bit. It is clear the anime skipped a lot of content. The first season adapted 9 volumes and yet it didn't feel rushed. I don't know what happened here. The only two moments that I truly liked in this cour are 1) Subaru's conversation with his parents and 2) Him talking to Echidna about RBD with relief. I didn't watch the director's cut or the prequel movie yet. That may be the reason for this. I have no idea why the barrier was put around the sanctuary in the first place. Or why Ram took the villagers there as a means of protection even though beasts can enter the sanctuary (like the rabbit did). So if Roswaal hired Elsa does that mean he did that in the first season as well? But at the time he didn't even know Subaru. |
| I would give this cour a 5/10 this time. Subaru's character itself is still too much in a loop were real development when it happens, gets backtracked when more mysteries are learned and then he grows, and then reverts, etc. I get why but that inconsistent nature of his character leads him to be a main character I don't particularly feel too much for even in his lowest moments and everything he went through, unlike Okabe and Kazuki Hoshino in Steins;Gate and HakoMari respectively where even through loops, their characters progressed and developed in a terrific manner through all the bullshit that happened. It gets kind of old in Subaru's shoes. At least he didn't piss me off as much as in the first season where he was just unwatchable there compared to this one so that aspect is an improvement I guess, but his characterization still sucks for me. Also the pacing was weird in this season, bits felt too rushed and bits felt way too slow and dragged out which stuck out a lot more than the first season. With how dense the material here is in this arc compared to the other 3, having key dialogue cut doesn't help the storytelling and having some unimportant stuff play out too long makes the story drag out way more. I blame the source material for the key issue since pacing there sucked too but the anime did not help much here and it resulted in some really, really, really boring phases because of it. Visuals were a step down too from the first season with directing falling flat for the most part. But, among all those issues, I did like how the mysteries subtly built up from the first season were paying itself off with good developments in this cour, getting to learn more about the Witches themselves, the Return by Death ability, some of the trials for the Sanctuary like how Subaru had to re-experience stuff from his past and make peace with it, Emilia's character being built up well for the next cour as she just suffers this whole cour through failing those trials, etc. It feels very slow since in the grand scheme of things, not much actually happened besides some answers being revealed and settings being unchanged for the whole cour barring the mansion and Sanctuary, but the build up does serve well for the next cour and future seasons to deliver on. Even Beatrice's character is a lot more interesting here compared to the first season, and there weren't over the top wacky villains like Betelgeuse to piss me off with how annoying they were. Story actually had some weight this cour unlike the first season. So yeah, this season from a storytelling perspective despite the sluggish pacing was a lot better and more interesting with tons of lore involved, even if Subaru's character still isn't that great or sympathetic to me. I like this better than the storytelling Arc 3 tried to present with its first half and the inconsistencies there. So yeah, an average season with lots of things to like but also hampered by pacing that made it ungodly boring at times, directing (some key dialogue being removed without a suitable replacement) and character issues for Subaru, to prevent it from being more than just a fine season. Even with those issues, this was way more interesting than Subaru being a geek at the mansion or being an uncharacteristic asshole to Emilia or whatever Arc 1 was. |
animejasNov 25, 2021 6:36 PM
| So, still a bit confused what Roswaals deal is. I feel like a part of this is to do with the five year wait I had to go through between seasons one and two, so some details may have become forgotten in the process. I'm not sure why he's making Subaru choose Emillia. Is this to do with the endgoal he's yet to reveal? Is there an answer that doesn't require a LN spoiler? |
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| Roswaal's confession was a long time coming. I like how this season ended on a grim note, as opposed to the first season. Although, I do believe the first season was stronger, and more engaging, even though, this season has crazier lore drops every episode. |
Anucolo said: Eoussama said: Roswaal's confession was a long time coming. I like how this season ended on a grim note, as opposed to the first season. Although, I do believe the first season was stronger, and more engaging, even though, this season has crazier lore drops every episode. This is not the end of season 2. Season 2 was divided into 2 parts due to covid. This is the ending of part 1. I know. Thanks for mentioning it tho. |
| The foundation for the story is interesting and could make this show a true gem but the writing really suffers in this show with the low amount of thought put into writing the characters which is sad. The main character never learns anything at all, just a boring repetition of the same thing |
| The closer you get to the light,the greater your shadow becomes. |
yamen said: You must have watched another series. Re:Zero is renowned for its great characters and their development.The foundation for the story is interesting and could make this show a true gem but the writing really suffers in this show with the low amount of thought put into writing the characters which is sad. The main character never learns anything at all, just a boring repetition of the same thing |
QcDiablo said: yamen said: You must have watched another series. Re:Zero is renowned for its great characters and their development.The foundation for the story is interesting and could make this show a true gem but the writing really suffers in this show with the low amount of thought put into writing the characters which is sad. The main character never learns anything at all, just a boring repetition of the same thing I don't really care if it renowned or not. I just see that the main character is poorly written and the development of side characters get scraped away because of his powers. Whatever development happens in a loop means nothing when he just dies and change the direction of events and THEN he learns nothing at all from past experiences. That's what I have a problem with. Anyway it is just the usual opinion of people who didn't enjoy the show as much as others and like to complain a bit here :) |
| The closer you get to the light,the greater your shadow becomes. |
yamen said: I don't really care if it renowned or not. I just see that the main character is poorly written and the development of side characters get scraped away because of his powers. Whatever development happens in a loop means nothing when he just dies and change the direction of events and THEN he learns nothing at all from past experiences. That's what I have a problem with. Anyway it is just the usual opinion of people who didn't enjoy the show as much as others and like to complain a bit here :) "The main character is poorly written" How so? "the development of side characters get scraped away because of his powers." It's a character-driven story. The different loops help understanding the characters and their thought process even if the dead are brought back. Their reactions and feelings are all canon and contribute to the understanding of their personality. Also don't underestimate the mental toll on Subaru who has to live with all these bad endings on his mind. Besides, the final timeline is probably the one with the most character development for a great majority of the cast; you'll need to provide more precise examples if you want to use this argument. "Whatever development happens in a loop means nothing [...]" Again, it means something. It has a great impact on Subaru and helps us understand the characters through various scenarios that couldn't have happened in a regular series. Subaru does learn from past mistakes. We see that at a few moments in season 2, notably through his view on the use of Return by Death. Let's also mention the "I know Hell" loop, where Subaru decides to spend the rest of the loop gathering information when he sees it will end badly. There was no try to save everyone in that perticular one. |
QcDiablo said: yamen said: I don't really care if it renowned or not. I just see that the main character is poorly written and the development of side characters get scraped away because of his powers. Whatever development happens in a loop means nothing when he just dies and change the direction of events and THEN he learns nothing at all from past experiences. That's what I have a problem with. Anyway it is just the usual opinion of people who didn't enjoy the show as much as others and like to complain a bit here :) "The main character is poorly written" How so? "the development of side characters get scraped away because of his powers." It's a character-driven story. The different loops help understanding the characters and their thought process even if the dead are brought back. Their reactions and feelings are all canon and contribute to the understanding of their personality. Also don't underestimate the mental toll on Subaru who has to live with all these bad endings on his mind. Besides, the final timeline is probably the one with the most character development for a great majority of the cast; you'll need to provide more precise examples if you want to use this argument. "Whatever development happens in a loop means nothing [...]" Again, it means something. It has a great impact on Subaru and helps us understand the characters through various scenarios that couldn't have happened in a regular series. Subaru does learn from past mistakes. We see that at a few moments in season 2, notably through his view on the use of Return by Death. Let's also mention the "I know Hell" loop, where Subaru decides to spend the rest of the loop gathering information when he sees it will end badly. There was no try to save everyone in that perticular one. The comment I made sums up to this episode in the storyline,not what happens later on and I still see it from a different perspective than you. Explaining in details what parts of his characters are poor takes a lot time and effort which I believe already been written in some of the reviews of this show. In summary he hardly learns how to utilize his power until late in the story and still makes the same old mistakes. As a result I feel no empathy towards him and probably won't until he reflects on himself in a more mature manner considering that the suffering he went through should help him develop that much. I'm not sure why you're bothering replying to me but this is my opinion as I have only watched the anime and not read the LN .I plan on reading it in the future though. You surely have more passion towards this show and have read the LN so you know a lot more details and can understand more of what's going on. |
| The closer you get to the light,the greater your shadow becomes. |
ShadowSun89 said: I also need to agree with the people saying there wasn't much character development this season at all. We see all that struggle just for a bit of selfcare and love, which seems it didn't improve much at all at the end, and other characters hadn't much focus at all to get any development to begin with. 7.5/10 for me What? Have we watched the same series? Everyone agrees this season had a ton of character development. Subaru, Emilia, Ram, Roswaal, Beatrice, Otto, Frederica, Garfiel, etc. All were developped throughout the season. Also I can assure you the character development of season 2 will be mandatory for the upcoming arcs. |
| Final impression on season 2 part 1: Echidna is great, Roswaal is great, but by god I still hate Subaru. His development also feels stuck in time, where he just won't grow any extra braincells. |
| Wow this season has been crazy. I don't completely understand everything that's going on to be honest. I'm definitely getting lost behind all the different meanings and things being said but regardless I am loving the season so far, hopefully it continues to be this good. 9/10 |
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| Subaru's Witch harem has increased once again. Roswaal pulled a gamer move and as for Otto.. he's still best boi lul |
| Lots and lots of talking again, but very cryptic. Apart from the fact that Roswaal is actually evil, but I think that was already kinda clear for a while now. Overall a disappointing sequel for me. I liked the first season a lot, the "Return by death" thing was well done and made me wanna watch the next episode to see where they are heading. This season was much more dialogue-heavy and a lot of it was quite shallow and boring. Maybe because we'll get the answers in the second part, but that doesn't really make the first part any better. Subaru is stuck in the sanctuary for multiple episodes now and it feels like barely anything happened since then because it was mostly info dump, but not even very interesting info. 6/10 |
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