Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yemenia Flight 448

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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 06:46, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable hijack. Plane didn't leave the ground. Hijacker stopped easily. The flight had notable passengers on board, which BTW the unreferenced article, but I think this is not noteworthy for an article WP:NOTNEWS—Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamJE (talkcontribs) 23:32, 2 May 2011

The accident was fatal to humans; The accident involved hull loss or serious damage to the aircraft or airport; The accident or incident resulted in changes to procedures, regulations or processes affecting airports, airlines or the aircraft industry


Yemenia Flight 448 doesn't fit any of the three. That the plane had noteworthy passengers on board(BTW I found an article that said General Tommy Franks was on board.)) isn't grounds for an article.- William 19:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • WP:AIRCRASH is an essay, not a policy. Also, you'll need to consider that the criteria is a bit different for hijackings, which do not always end in loss of aircraft or blood shed, but are notable otherwise. For whatever reason, the essay hasn't been updated to cover the notability of hijackings, but that's probably because it'll end up falling under the scope of WP:CRIME or WP:N/CA or WP:EVENT... or something. I'm not entirely sure. If we follow the standards set by WP:AIRCRASH, then pretty much every non-fatal hijacking incident that did not involve a hull loss or cause a change to security procedure would be up for deletion, which is plainly wrong. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 23:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for now As written, the article has no sources, and asserts no real claims of notability. Mukkakukaku has shown that there are sources and claims of lasting notability, but we won't know if these will be able to meet the AIRCRASH, GNG, and EVENT guidelines until they are actually added into the article - adding them to the AFD page doesn't countIf these issues are properlay addressed in the article, I'll review my stand at that time. - BilCat (talk) 12:32, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect to Yemenia article. The hijacking is verified by ASN, but not the claims made in the article. Mjroots (talk) 16:34, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:17, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Plenty of news coverage doesn't make the incident noteworthy. Take for instance WP:Articles_for_deletion/Air_France_Flight_7 where planes collided on the ground at JFK. On the other hand, a crash like Viasa Flight 742 where it is hard info about is noteworthy enough for a Wikipedia article. It was the worst aviation accident in history at the time and had a very large amount of on the ground casualties.- William 13:10, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've reviewed WP:Event and WP:NOTNEWS and still feel this is a keep. It meets the general notability guideline and has significant, in depth coverage, not routine reports. It was reported Internationally so it has a wide geographical scope. It sparked a review of safety procedures for US Ambassadors [5]. It's been analyzed in a pre-9/11 context [6].Denaar (talk) 15:15, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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