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Sep 3, 2016 5:24 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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So we got Black (Rose form) vs Goku in his SS God form while Zamasu fights against Trunks in the future timeline. Pretty decent fight actually from both sides. Zamasu is actually quite powerful although Trunks puts him quite a decent fight too.

Of course while all this is happening, Vegeta is left in the dust. Poor guy.
Sep 3, 2016 6:02 PM
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why don't Goku just use his Super Saiyan Blue Kaio Ken?!
Sep 3, 2016 6:20 PM
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why don't Goku just use his Super Saiyan Blue Kaio Ken?!

Only lasting a few minutes in a fight he might not even win is an awful idea.

Anyways yeah this is another great episode. Black and Zamasu are pretty damn good villains and I can't wait to learn more about them.
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Sep 3, 2016 6:28 PM
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poor vegeta He was made to sit there and watch. Holy sh%t I didn't know Trunks was capable of using the Final Flash granted it's not as badass as vegeta's but it was still an amazing moment, but not as amazing as seeing black use the kamehameha wave.
Sep 3, 2016 6:58 PM
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Trunks final flash. Cool to see him use that. So I'm assuming Zamasu used the super dragon balls to give himself that body. I still want to see fusion tbh. Unless Goku and Vegeta van reach a new form. I know lots of people wouldn't like that, but honestly idgaf if their next for is white or rainbow colored. I wanna see them get stronger dammit!
Sep 3, 2016 7:45 PM
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How did zamasu feel goku godly ki just by watching a tv replay o.o?
Sep 3, 2016 7:57 PM
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So I guess Zamasu wish to Super Dragon Ball is immortality? Might explain why Trunks attack has no effect.
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Sep 3, 2016 9:25 PM
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So how can trunks fight them in a super saiyan form, while everyone else is a god ?
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So how can trunks fight them in a super saiyan form, while everyone else is a god ?


yeah that is the only thing that bugs me in this episode, but the rest of the episode is so good that you would forgive them.
Sep 3, 2016 10:04 PM
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so its safe to say that Zamasu wished the Super Dragon Balls to make him immortal and thats why Trunks stabbing him in the future has no effect
Sep 3, 2016 10:09 PM

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Great episode, great animation in the fight - one of the best I ever seen in DB - but the drawning was not good. Gowasu kidding to be a Kamituber is one of the best parts lol
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j0x said:
so its safe to say that Zamasu wished the Super Dragon Balls to make him immortal and thats why Trunks stabbing him in the future has no effect
actully it seems he will make a wish to the dragon ball next episode preview so meybe then he will wish to be immortal
Sep 3, 2016 10:34 PM

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Lelouchxd said:
So how can trunks fight them in a super saiyan form, while everyone else is a god ?


Well his Super Saiyan form is about as powerful as God.

After fighting Beerus and absorbing the power Super Saiyan Goku was as strong as Super Saiyan God Goku.

Trunks is around as powerful as Super Saiyan 2 Goku.
Sep 3, 2016 11:16 PM

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so vegeta can barely hurt black at super saiyan blue but trunks can block his attack with his sword (an android broke it before) and can knock black against a building?
oh and Goku (who's only slightly above vegeta in his blue form) can fight both of these guys while vegeta was struggling against one?
I give up! the power scaling in this thing is sh*t!
Sep 3, 2016 11:35 PM

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Another great episode and next week episode is hype.This si just getting better and better each episode...
Sep 4, 2016 12:22 AM
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Lelouchxd said:
So how can trunks fight them in a super saiyan form, while everyone else is a god ?


its much better explained in the latest chapter of the manga (chapter 15)



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j0x said:
so its safe to say that Zamasu wished the Super Dragon Balls to make him immortal and thats why Trunks stabbing him in the future has no effect
actully it seems he will make a wish to the dragon ball next episode preview so meybe then he will wish to be immortal


ye i saw the preview for the next episode on this same episode thats why i said that
Sep 4, 2016 2:04 AM
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It would be really stupid if Zamasu wished for immortality. It has nothing to do with his goals. I would expect him to wish for elimination of mortals or something like that (which clearly he didn't).

What would happen if Goku and Vegeta died in the future? Would they go to the afterlife where they already are? Can they fuse with their other selves?

Also with the time machine they can go one second into the past (creating alternate reality), kidnap Piccolo or Buu and have them fuse with their present self. Then repeat for infinite power.

j0x said:
Lelouchxd said:
So how can trunks fight them in a super saiyan form, while everyone else is a god ?


its much better explained in the latest chapter of the manga (chapter 15)




Sep 4, 2016 4:18 AM

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Solid fight animation. Seems Zamasu will probably mutiny next week.
Sep 4, 2016 4:53 AM

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Zamasu that jerk but I still like him, sobs.
Will get to see more Shin again, I hope, the preview showed so.

And those fight scenes were so great.

Sep 4, 2016 4:55 AM
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Zamasu is freaking narcissist.
Sep 4, 2016 4:56 AM
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animefan8800 said:
Solid fight animation. Seems Zamasu will probably mutiny next week.


I don't think the animation is that good I keep seeing trunks hair turn to normal from being super saiyan during his fight with Zamasu.
Sep 4, 2016 5:08 AM

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animefan8800 said:
Solid fight animation. Seems Zamasu will probably mutiny next week.


I don't think the animation is that good I keep seeing trunks hair turn to normal from being super saiyan during his fight with Zamasu.


K, agree to disagree then.
Sep 4, 2016 5:10 AM
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I think Zamasu use the super dragon ball to become immortal, kinda like what freeza and vegeta wanted to wosh for during the freeza arc..
Sep 4, 2016 5:19 AM

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Zamasu is really creepy.

GodTuber, lmfao.
Sep 4, 2016 5:35 AM
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Creepy_Noire_fan said:
so vegeta can barely hurt black at super saiyan blue but trunks can block his attack with his sword (an android broke it before) and can knock black against a building?
oh and Goku (who's only slightly above vegeta in his blue form) can fight both of these guys while vegeta was struggling against one?
I give up! the power scaling in this thing is sh*t!


I wonder why the video I link never plays, so heres an image instead.

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Sep 4, 2016 5:39 AM

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Amazing episode!
To the people complaining about Vegeta. He got caught off guard and stabbed in the chest. I mean come on, who would expect an energy sword?

I still dont get how Zamasu of the future can know about Goku.. He died there. Or maybe.. mabye he wished a power to defeat the Saiyajins and thus Goku Black and his immortal body was born.
Sep 4, 2016 5:50 AM

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Pretty good episode.

The fight was cool but it was kinda weird how Zamasu was able to hold down both Trunks and Goku given that he seems to be weaker than both of them based on the fights we've seen. Black seems to be the strongest of them all for now.

GodTube XD

Looks like Zamasu wished for immortality from the Super Dragon Balls. I'm very interested in knowing who Black is now.

Creepy_Noire_fan said:
so vegeta can barely hurt black at super saiyan blue but trunks can block his attack with his sword (an android broke it before) and can knock black against a building?
oh and Goku (who's only slightly above vegeta in his blue form) can fight both of these guys while vegeta was struggling against one?
I give up! the power scaling in this thing is sh*t!

I'm gonna have to agree, The power scaling does seem a bit off. Probably done this way so we can move forward with the plot.
Sep 4, 2016 5:56 AM

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Trunks held himself up well against Zamasu, whose present version could not stand up against SSJ2 Goku. I am buying this one. He did not really fight Black for too long, mostly it's Goku so it's hard to say Trunks managed to keep up with Black.

I am guessing Black is similar to Piccolo's good and evil split, with his evil version capable of possession, taking in future Goku's body and then they are having a blast together. Zamasu did mention that he and Black are "kindred spirits".

Also, Black had a Dio moment where he said


Pacing, IMO is quite fast. Only a little more than 1 episode and we had a match settled.


Sep 4, 2016 5:58 AM

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Lots of action this week.Goku,Vegeta and Trunks completely lost against Zamasu and Black.Yajirobe saved Goku and Trunks and Mai helped Vegeta.They managed to return to the present alive.Present Zamasu took an interest in super dragonballs.It seems that the future one wished for immortality.
Sep 4, 2016 6:03 AM

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Amazing episode!
To the people complaining about Vegeta. He got caught off guard and stabbed in the chest. I mean come on, who would expect an energy sword?

I still dont get how Zamasu of the future can know about Goku.. He died there. Or maybe.. mabye he wished a power to defeat the Saiyajins and thus Goku Black and his immortal body was born.

I think it's Future Zamatsu from Goku's timeline that went to Trunks alternate timeline thanks to his ring.
Sep 4, 2016 6:45 AM

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Vegeta saves the day again. Just like the Buu and Cell saga.
Sep 4, 2016 6:59 AM

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What can I say?
After several slow and almost boring chapters are sent two lots of action.
When Trunks went through Zamasu with his sword could have been a surprising scene, if it were not for the title advance that this guy was immortal.
I was so excited with the fighting and especially with Trunks using the Final Rasen.
It was hoped Vegeta's intervention to save his comrades, but the arrival of humans if was a surprise, like knowing that despite all their powers are vulnerable to teargas.
Finally the view that the present will continue counting as Zamas and join Black will be a good idea, which will be waiting.
I am Argentine, so is not very good my English, sorry for the many typing errors.

Sep 4, 2016 7:08 AM

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Ooh zamasu that bastard... I really am hating the guy belittling everyone.... But this has gotten interesting
Sep 4, 2016 7:12 AM

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Trunks' using Final Flash was nice. I guess Trunks never get to see how near-immortal Cell and Buu was because Zamasu's immortality doesn't seems all that impressive compare to them.


Sep 4, 2016 7:21 AM

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They lost, the difference was too much,lol.
Vegeta and Goku need to fuse again, I would love to see a SS Blue fusion.
It seems that Zamasu used the dragon balls to get immortality and "make" Black.
GodTube, lol.
Sep 4, 2016 7:22 AM
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why don't Goku just use his Super Saiyan Blue Kaio Ken?!


That's a pretty risky move seeing as Black knows the IT, so he can freely dodge Goku's powered up attacks at will. That SSB KKx10 was Goku's last resort move and even King Kai warned Goku that if he did it again his body would not take it well. Goku's better off turning SSB 2.


Future Trunks with that Final Flash, surprising. Never expected Trunks to know that move.
The OST where Goku and Trunks stare at Zamasu/Black was good, like the suspense in that scene.
Vegeta once again such a boss. Turns SSB and fires a Final Flash. Overall Zamasu/Black are just too strong for them.


And it appears like present Zamasu will be using the Super Dragon Balls to wish himself immortal. In Trunk's time, Zamasu and Black aren't the same being, so it's possible that Present Zamasu might be wishing himself immortal along with a strong Black Goku.

Gowasu lol
wanting to become a Godtuber

Sep 4, 2016 7:42 AM

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The power levels on this episode made no sense at all. That aside, it was nice to see Trunks use Vegeta's Final Flash attack. Zamasu is so annoying! XD
Sep 4, 2016 8:12 AM

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really not enjoying this, really hope zamasu and black get sealed soon like.. garlic?
Gowasu-sama and his dank memes saved the episode for me.
well atleast we know zamasu doesn't know about kaio-ken SSB because he was so focused on the dragonballs.
Now the Zeno-chan is being kept waiting because of some of his silly little 'gods'

Sep 4, 2016 8:13 AM

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Not even gonna mention the powerlevels lol

It was a nice fight tho. Really fun. And friggin Final Flash!! Cool.

Yajirobe to the rescue lol how nostalgic

Kamitube was the best thing tho XD

Let's see what exactly Zamasu will wish now. And if the Present Zamazu makes a wish does that mean we're getting too OP Zamasus?
Sep 4, 2016 8:17 AM

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The power levels made perfect sense, what's the issue?
Sep 4, 2016 8:22 AM
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As everyone already said, the powerlevels make no sense in this episode, SSJ 2 Trunks shouldn't even be in the picture tbh, Zamasu was fighting SSJ Blue Goku and even knocked him back and let's not even talk about SSJ Rose, it makes no sense for Trunks to even knock Black against a building in that form. Fuck off with your weak ass Final Flash Trunks lmao. Also Hilarious how Goku turned his back to Black to go check on Trunks when he should know that Black is not down yet.
I find it so lame how SSJ fucking GOD Goku goes down so easily. Where's your Kaioken bro?
GodTube lmao, that's great.
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The kaioken is very taxing that's why, and he was too weakened to use it.

The ending of the episode was lame though. Mai sending back in time again. It only resets everything and the remaining humans in her period will likely be wiped for good.
Sep 4, 2016 9:07 AM

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Goku push the button and call your friend! The King of All
Sep 4, 2016 9:10 AM

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So zamasu just made a wish to become an immortal god.
Sep 4, 2016 9:11 AM

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I'm sure everyone felt the power scaling issue, so I probably don't have to elaborate xD I'm kinda too used to the inconsistent power scaling anyway.

GodTube was really hilarious hahaha!

The battle in this episode is amazing! I was really looking forward to see SSB kaioken again but seems like it's not going to happen =/

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How did zamasu feel goku godly ki just by watching a tv replay o.o?


Hahahahaha this crosses my mind too. Maybe they can really see the aura too, not just feel. Or if that's not convincing enough, take it as god's TV is sufficiently high tech to not just see, but feel the battle too (after all, we shouldn't forget that the way they move wouldn't even be visible to ordinary human, and I'm sure ordinary TV wouldn't be able to capture their movements too).

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Also with the time machine they can go one second into the past (creating alternate reality), kidnap Piccolo or Buu and have them fuse with their present self. Then repeat for infinite power.


Wow I think this is a pretty good idea, but the amount of timeline it creates though. All these alternative timelines will be messed up too haha.
Sep 4, 2016 9:50 AM

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time travel is stupid but that aside this arc is good
Scream!
Sep 4, 2016 10:06 AM

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Pretty good fighting between Zamasu, black and Trunks, Goku.
Yet Mai saved Trunks again. Zamasu's gonna get immortality from Super Dragon balls.
Sep 4, 2016 10:06 AM
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Gowasu is so stupid to tell Zamasu about the Dragon ball despite knowing Zamasu bad intention.
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sigh can someone explain to me how is Trunks SSj2 able to somehow fight against Black Goku who is in God form, this makes absolutely no sense, Vegeta got beat easily and now we see trunks SSj2 somehow block his attack, these animators are just trowing things in there without making any sense, i sure miss the days when a SSj1 couldnt even move a SSj2 or similar cause the power level were that much different, but now SSj2 is somehow as strong as SSj3 and SSJB, they make goku stronger when he needs to be and weaker when its needed for plot only kids fall for this.

Trunks attacks should feel like a tickle to black goku the same way when goku/vegeta punched Brolly.
i mean trunks was no match for him in his Base form while he was in SSJ2 now Black power increase by more than 500x so how is it that trunks can still hold his own, its illogical, trunks should be less than an ant in front of Black, but it seems the animators said well lets BS it and make trunks even more powerfull in his SSj2 mode even tho it makes no sense, boom SSJ2 just got another boost to SSJ B mode.

sure hope the manga does not show trunks fighting at all, just how goku and hit match was stupid in the anime, Kaoiken x10 + SSJ does not exist because that make goku almost invincible, i mean just imagine SSJ x 10 its form thats x50= x500 and SSj2 is x100=1000. pretty much invincible to me
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sigh can someone explain to me how is Trunks SSj2 able to somehow fight against Black Goku who is in God form, this makes absolutely no sense, Vegeta got beat easily and now we see trunks SSj2 somehow block his attack, these animators are just trowing things in there without making any sense, i sure miss the days when a SSj1 couldnt even move a SSj2 or similar cause the power level were that much different, but now SSj2 is somehow as strong as SSj3 and SSJB, they make goku stronger when he needs to be and weaker when its needed for plot only kids fall for this.

Trunks attacks should feel like a tickle to black goku the same way when goku/vegeta punched Brolly.
i mean trunks was no match for him in his Base form while he was in SSJ2 now Black power increase by more than 500x so how is it that trunks can still hold his own, its illogical.


Maybe because he didn't fought Black Goku? All what he did was transform into SSJ2 while being such angry, join fight out from nowhere that Black didn't noticed, he just attacked him once, thats all. Why people crying about that he did better in SSJ2 than Vegeta in SSJB? Vegeta attacked Black like an idiot and that what happened, now Goku & Trunks knew what can they do and started to fight.

It's not like Vegeta is bad and Goku is strong as fuck, its just Black expected Vegeta to do something like this and he prepared for attack like this. Now he was aware of Goku, Zamasu lost to SSJ2 Goku in their time-line, so it's nothing for Trunks actually which using SSJ2 too, its only that he is unkillable now.

PS. SPOILERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, Next 10 episode names, but nobody know if they're correct
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